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		<title>By: Cara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jan 2012 23:30:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All I can say is I will probably never darken the door of a CC again or any evangelical church for that matter. It&#039;s not a real church anyway. Any Joe can be a pastor. You just go to CC bible school which just consists of listing to  CC Pope (Chuck Smith) tapes. I could go on and on but I won&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All I can say is I will probably never darken the door of a CC again or any evangelical church for that matter. It&#8217;s not a real church anyway. Any Joe can be a pastor. You just go to CC bible school which just consists of listing to  CC Pope (Chuck Smith) tapes. I could go on and on but I won&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Cindy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jan 2012 22:23:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had left CC of Castle Rock over a year ago due to the amount of time I had to drive to get there. Later on my Mom had some severe health problems and I emailed CCCR to get some advice about end of life care. I have yet to hear form anyone there. My Mom died early Oct of 2011. Not even a &quot;I&#039;m sorry you&#039;re going thru this... please come and scheduled an appointment so we can discuss this.&quot; I finally had to call a Baptist pastor in my area because I had friends who attended there and he called me within a week personally and gave me great advice. I&#039;m thinking CC are not doing well with oversight and follow up. There is a CC down south that these two CC&#039;s don&#039;t associate with. 

I found out thru a Facebook posting that former Pastor Brian Abeyta is not longer senior pastor or otherwise there. The posting said that they needed &quot;healing and restoration.&quot; I know that another former pastor named Brian Michaels from Rocky Mountain Calvary in Colorado Springs had left there to go to his fathers church in Las Vegas and while there he &quot;lusted after another woman&quot; and I think stepped down as senior paster there. I find out later that he comes to help another CC pastor in Monument, CO. 

I don&#039;t know why Mr. Abeyta is no longer a pastor there but for a senior pastor to &quot;need healing and restoration&quot; it must be something rather serious. If anyone knows why he is not longer listed in ministry there please post it hear. Thanks. CCCR states on their Facebook page that they are seeking a new senior pastor. Which maybe that is a good sign that they don&#039;t want Mr. Abeyta leading the flock there. 

This sadden&#039;s me as I thought the CC movement was a very biblical. Now I&#039;m seriously in doubt about that. But like Jason said above no church is perfect. And ultimately we are supposed to know the word well as well.  I have named these two pastors by name as I don&#039;t want other pastors blamed by mistake. Yes God can and will restore them if they allow Him to. But not well enough for me to currently want to sit under their teachings in the near or far future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had left CC of Castle Rock over a year ago due to the amount of time I had to drive to get there. Later on my Mom had some severe health problems and I emailed CCCR to get some advice about end of life care. I have yet to hear form anyone there. My Mom died early Oct of 2011. Not even a &#8220;I&#8217;m sorry you&#8217;re going thru this&#8230; please come and scheduled an appointment so we can discuss this.&#8221; I finally had to call a Baptist pastor in my area because I had friends who attended there and he called me within a week personally and gave me great advice. I&#8217;m thinking CC are not doing well with oversight and follow up. There is a CC down south that these two CC&#8217;s don&#8217;t associate with. </p>
<p>I found out thru a Facebook posting that former Pastor Brian Abeyta is not longer senior pastor or otherwise there. The posting said that they needed &#8220;healing and restoration.&#8221; I know that another former pastor named Brian Michaels from Rocky Mountain Calvary in Colorado Springs had left there to go to his fathers church in Las Vegas and while there he &#8220;lusted after another woman&#8221; and I think stepped down as senior paster there. I find out later that he comes to help another CC pastor in Monument, CO. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know why Mr. Abeyta is no longer a pastor there but for a senior pastor to &#8220;need healing and restoration&#8221; it must be something rather serious. If anyone knows why he is not longer listed in ministry there please post it hear. Thanks. CCCR states on their Facebook page that they are seeking a new senior pastor. Which maybe that is a good sign that they don&#8217;t want Mr. Abeyta leading the flock there. </p>
<p>This sadden&#8217;s me as I thought the CC movement was a very biblical. Now I&#8217;m seriously in doubt about that. But like Jason said above no church is perfect. And ultimately we are supposed to know the word well as well.  I have named these two pastors by name as I don&#8217;t want other pastors blamed by mistake. Yes God can and will restore them if they allow Him to. But not well enough for me to currently want to sit under their teachings in the near or far future.</p>
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		<title>By: carol</title>
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		<dc:creator>carol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Dec 2011 12:00:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow all these comments this past year alone!! My experience was awefule as well...they dont teach sound doctrine nor are their leaders qualified to be in leadership positions from my experience anyway. I always thought all protestant reformers were just that and found out the hard way about &quot;arminian theology&quot;...needles to say it didnt go over well:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow all these comments this past year alone!! My experience was awefule as well&#8230;they dont teach sound doctrine nor are their leaders qualified to be in leadership positions from my experience anyway. I always thought all protestant reformers were just that and found out the hard way about &#8220;arminian theology&#8221;&#8230;needles to say it didnt go over well:)</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Gross</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick Gross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2011 01:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My family and I attended CC for 10 years and I served as an usher, janitor, and assistant in our monthly communion service. In August, 2011, we ushers were told to call the local police if a certain man showed up at church as he had been kicked out and allegedly threatened the pastor.  We ushers found this odd as most of us had become aware of an inappropriate affair between the man’s wife and another congregant.  We were told to follow orders and do as we were told.

It so happened that the man in question had contacted me several weeks earlier because he thought I was an elder in the church.  CC pastors often have their board keep a low profile, so it’s not unusual to now know who the folks in charge are.  (Just remember that CC’s are set up under Articles of Organization as a 501(c)(3) non-profit corporation naming the pastor as the president and owner of the corporation, governed by the president and a board of directors which are appointed by and serve at the sole discretion of the pastor.)

He told me that the board was supporting his wife’s infidelity and would not confront her sin, had told him that she could not be forced to stay in the marriage and that he should just let matters take their course and see if she would return to him.  I found this unbelievable, but also told him that unless he has proof there was nothing I could do except pray for him.

However, after being ordered to call the police if this man showed up at church, I got to thinking.  In the process of a divorce, court documents are filed and become public documents.  In all likelihood, they would provide a complete story.  So I got them and they did.  They told a very ugly story.

In October 2011, I provided to my pastor (John Pillivant at CC Bartlett, TN) and his board of directors with documentation about CC-Bartlett’s support for unscriptural divorce and “respecter of persons” bias which, in turn, had given rise to two adulterous relationships in the church, a failure to confront this sin, and the bearing of false witness in court which resulted in this man being wrongly separated from his children.  Sole custody was granted to the adulterous wife.

I sent the court documents with a cover letter to our pastor and board (and the ushers who had been ordered to call the police).  I asked our pastor and board re-examine their decisions in light of the court documents which they had not previously seen and the interrogatory testimony given under oath.  These documents clearly show that the husband was accurate in everything he’d told me.

Within 24 hours, I was kicked out of the church via a phone call from one of the pastor’s board members, Andrew Galloway.  A long statement was read to me over the phone accusing me of lying, gossip, slander, and division among other things.  I was ordered to stay away from the church and to send a public letter of apology which would be read in front of the congregation.
Because of the generic nature of the alleged sins, I asked for a copy of the statement along with a specific itemization (e.g. what lie did I tell and to whom did I tell it to, etc).  I also asked if the court documents had been read and was told that the records were “gossip” and full of lies.

 Two days later on Sunday, Oct. 9, people tell me that I was publicly accused of these and other sins including rebellion (Titus 3:10) and my excommunication was announced from the pulpit by Pastor John.

I’ve been a Christian for 37 years and have walked consistently with Christ since conversion – and I know my Bible. Calvary Chapel is NOT a cult – but it is cult-like in leadership and practice. And you can blame it all on Calvary Chapel Distinctives and the Moses Model which fosters a belief that church leaders are above “ordinary Christians”, do not sin like the rest of us, and promote a watered down Christianity which is not serious about sin and redemption.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My family and I attended CC for 10 years and I served as an usher, janitor, and assistant in our monthly communion service. In August, 2011, we ushers were told to call the local police if a certain man showed up at church as he had been kicked out and allegedly threatened the pastor.  We ushers found this odd as most of us had become aware of an inappropriate affair between the man’s wife and another congregant.  We were told to follow orders and do as we were told.</p>
<p>It so happened that the man in question had contacted me several weeks earlier because he thought I was an elder in the church.  CC pastors often have their board keep a low profile, so it’s not unusual to now know who the folks in charge are.  (Just remember that CC’s are set up under Articles of Organization as a 501(c)(3) non-profit corporation naming the pastor as the president and owner of the corporation, governed by the president and a board of directors which are appointed by and serve at the sole discretion of the pastor.)</p>
<p>He told me that the board was supporting his wife’s infidelity and would not confront her sin, had told him that she could not be forced to stay in the marriage and that he should just let matters take their course and see if she would return to him.  I found this unbelievable, but also told him that unless he has proof there was nothing I could do except pray for him.</p>
<p>However, after being ordered to call the police if this man showed up at church, I got to thinking.  In the process of a divorce, court documents are filed and become public documents.  In all likelihood, they would provide a complete story.  So I got them and they did.  They told a very ugly story.</p>
<p>In October 2011, I provided to my pastor (John Pillivant at CC Bartlett, TN) and his board of directors with documentation about CC-Bartlett’s support for unscriptural divorce and “respecter of persons” bias which, in turn, had given rise to two adulterous relationships in the church, a failure to confront this sin, and the bearing of false witness in court which resulted in this man being wrongly separated from his children.  Sole custody was granted to the adulterous wife.</p>
<p>I sent the court documents with a cover letter to our pastor and board (and the ushers who had been ordered to call the police).  I asked our pastor and board re-examine their decisions in light of the court documents which they had not previously seen and the interrogatory testimony given under oath.  These documents clearly show that the husband was accurate in everything he’d told me.</p>
<p>Within 24 hours, I was kicked out of the church via a phone call from one of the pastor’s board members, Andrew Galloway.  A long statement was read to me over the phone accusing me of lying, gossip, slander, and division among other things.  I was ordered to stay away from the church and to send a public letter of apology which would be read in front of the congregation.<br />
Because of the generic nature of the alleged sins, I asked for a copy of the statement along with a specific itemization (e.g. what lie did I tell and to whom did I tell it to, etc).  I also asked if the court documents had been read and was told that the records were “gossip” and full of lies.</p>
<p> Two days later on Sunday, Oct. 9, people tell me that I was publicly accused of these and other sins including rebellion (Titus 3:10) and my excommunication was announced from the pulpit by Pastor John.</p>
<p>I’ve been a Christian for 37 years and have walked consistently with Christ since conversion – and I know my Bible. Calvary Chapel is NOT a cult – but it is cult-like in leadership and practice. And you can blame it all on Calvary Chapel Distinctives and the Moses Model which fosters a belief that church leaders are above “ordinary Christians”, do not sin like the rest of us, and promote a watered down Christianity which is not serious about sin and redemption.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2011 03:30:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christine,  I would be very careful of Calvary Chapel.  They are cultlike in many ways and unfortunately the Moses Model authoritarian system Chuck Smith invented is not Biblical and has no accountability for senior pastors.  This is very dangerous and spiritually abusive at times.  Check out Alex Greniers blog site and you will be suprised with what is happening at CC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christine,  I would be very careful of Calvary Chapel.  They are cultlike in many ways and unfortunately the Moses Model authoritarian system Chuck Smith invented is not Biblical and has no accountability for senior pastors.  This is very dangerous and spiritually abusive at times.  Check out Alex Greniers blog site and you will be suprised with what is happening at CC.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2011 17:26:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ive attended many churches through the years and have not found one to be perfect. I surmise its because the church is made up of imperfect people. I think Calvary Chapel’s model is able to receive so much criticism because God has profoundly blessed them; there are thousands of Calvary Chapels. I love when any church tries to keep the word of God as pure as possible, and I think that is why Calvary has been profoundly blessed.  

For any pastor who abuses their power, they will have to answer to God. I do see how the Moses model has advantages. If a pastor is outright disobeying God, I say reveal it to them and if they continue disobeying, then run. If it’s a different understanding of scripture then your just bringing division, please seek out a church that has the same understanding. Lord knows we have lots of different types of churches. 

Please remember that all churches are made up of imperfect man. Please seek out a pastor who will lead you, while God leads them, regardless of the “brand”. 

Hi Christine… Calvary Chapel is not a cult. If your daughter is cutting off certain friends and pressing into God, then I don’t think you should interfere with that. Now if she has some dramatic wounding that is causing her to seek the Lord at an unhealthy rate, if there is such a thing. Then healing the emotional wound should be your priority. Not pulling her away from God. 

God bless you all and love be with you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ive attended many churches through the years and have not found one to be perfect. I surmise its because the church is made up of imperfect people. I think Calvary Chapel’s model is able to receive so much criticism because God has profoundly blessed them; there are thousands of Calvary Chapels. I love when any church tries to keep the word of God as pure as possible, and I think that is why Calvary has been profoundly blessed.  </p>
<p>For any pastor who abuses their power, they will have to answer to God. I do see how the Moses model has advantages. If a pastor is outright disobeying God, I say reveal it to them and if they continue disobeying, then run. If it’s a different understanding of scripture then your just bringing division, please seek out a church that has the same understanding. Lord knows we have lots of different types of churches. </p>
<p>Please remember that all churches are made up of imperfect man. Please seek out a pastor who will lead you, while God leads them, regardless of the “brand”. </p>
<p>Hi Christine… Calvary Chapel is not a cult. If your daughter is cutting off certain friends and pressing into God, then I don’t think you should interfere with that. Now if she has some dramatic wounding that is causing her to seek the Lord at an unhealthy rate, if there is such a thing. Then healing the emotional wound should be your priority. Not pulling her away from God. </p>
<p>God bless you all and love be with you.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Oct 2011 21:44:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a guy who&#039;s listened to literally 16+ 24 hour days of Mark Driscoll&#039;s preaching.  I&#039;ve read and read and greatly glean from many Godly Reformed guys.  I love the Word, the preaching of the Word, and the right dividing of the Word.  My church teaches exegetically through the Word verse-by-verse every Sunday.  My pastor reads Driscoll, Piper, Spurgeon, Luther, Bonhoeffer, etc.  That being said, I don&#039;t consider myself reformed.  After much study and prayer, I reject the doctrine of regeneration preceding faith.  I firmly believe in the sovereign election of God.  

I am a Calvary Chapel leader and in the Eldership process at a thriving CC church plant.  Our planting pastor is ridiculously grounded in the Word.  He&#039;s not doctrinally weak, nor are any of the CC pastors I know.  We are a church-planting, Bible teaching, sin-repenting church.  We practice strong church discipline, raise up other leaders who are gifted, and generally love Jesus by preaching His grace... but also the necessity of repentance.  God has blessed our church by bringing it from 6 people in a living room to 200 people in less than 2 years.  I have seen sin repented of, lives redeemed, and Christ made much of in my body and many other CC bodies in other areas.

I take issue with the broad generalization of the CC movement.  It&#039;s a spirit-led movement that has been greatly used of God.  Altar calls are Biblical.  The CC movement was largely responsible for revival in the Western church.  We plant hundreds of churches every year.  There is a new generation of CC guys like my pastor, myself, and many men I know who are passionate for strong doctrine!  Instead of snidely criticizing an entire movement that IS being used by God, you should do something.  As Mark Driscoll says, don&#039;t be a theological gun-collector.  Don&#039;t polish your theological trophy guns hanging on the wall... Go shoot them!  Because this CC is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a guy who&#8217;s listened to literally 16+ 24 hour days of Mark Driscoll&#8217;s preaching.  I&#8217;ve read and read and greatly glean from many Godly Reformed guys.  I love the Word, the preaching of the Word, and the right dividing of the Word.  My church teaches exegetically through the Word verse-by-verse every Sunday.  My pastor reads Driscoll, Piper, Spurgeon, Luther, Bonhoeffer, etc.  That being said, I don&#8217;t consider myself reformed.  After much study and prayer, I reject the doctrine of regeneration preceding faith.  I firmly believe in the sovereign election of God.  </p>
<p>I am a Calvary Chapel leader and in the Eldership process at a thriving CC church plant.  Our planting pastor is ridiculously grounded in the Word.  He&#8217;s not doctrinally weak, nor are any of the CC pastors I know.  We are a church-planting, Bible teaching, sin-repenting church.  We practice strong church discipline, raise up other leaders who are gifted, and generally love Jesus by preaching His grace&#8230; but also the necessity of repentance.  God has blessed our church by bringing it from 6 people in a living room to 200 people in less than 2 years.  I have seen sin repented of, lives redeemed, and Christ made much of in my body and many other CC bodies in other areas.</p>
<p>I take issue with the broad generalization of the CC movement.  It&#8217;s a spirit-led movement that has been greatly used of God.  Altar calls are Biblical.  The CC movement was largely responsible for revival in the Western church.  We plant hundreds of churches every year.  There is a new generation of CC guys like my pastor, myself, and many men I know who are passionate for strong doctrine!  Instead of snidely criticizing an entire movement that IS being used by God, you should do something.  As Mark Driscoll says, don&#8217;t be a theological gun-collector.  Don&#8217;t polish your theological trophy guns hanging on the wall&#8230; Go shoot them!  Because this CC is.</p>
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		<title>By: Christine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2011 01:23:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry - just reread my own post. I believe in bringing them in by being the light of the world. She has pretty much shunned all of her friends except those she has met at church. She reads her Bible constantly, taking copious notes all the while listening to several different TV ministers simultantously. She has her 1st boyfriend now, who also attends CC. At times, it seems she is changing to be what he wants. So many changes going on. I no longer know what to do; pray daily about this and wait it out?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry &#8211; just reread my own post. I believe in bringing them in by being the light of the world. She has pretty much shunned all of her friends except those she has met at church. She reads her Bible constantly, taking copious notes all the while listening to several different TV ministers simultantously. She has her 1st boyfriend now, who also attends CC. At times, it seems she is changing to be what he wants. So many changes going on. I no longer know what to do; pray daily about this and wait it out?</p>
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		<title>By: Christine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2011 01:15:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My 19 year old daughter, earlier this year, become involved in CC. She is so different; i am very concerned. Yet if I say anything, it just causes arguments to the point where she so longer trusts me nor wants my advice. Any suggestions on how to handle this situation? I think it&#039;s wonderful she loves the Lord, but this change and doom/gloom is not, in my beliefe system, being the light of the world. She seems to be driving them away...not bringing them in. Help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My 19 year old daughter, earlier this year, become involved in CC. She is so different; i am very concerned. Yet if I say anything, it just causes arguments to the point where she so longer trusts me nor wants my advice. Any suggestions on how to handle this situation? I think it&#8217;s wonderful she loves the Lord, but this change and doom/gloom is not, in my beliefe system, being the light of the world. She seems to be driving them away&#8230;not bringing them in. Help.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Aug 2011 20:25:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wanted to thank all those who left comments since it has given me encouragement.  I was with the CC system in Delaware county Pennsylvania for many years.  I was eventually excommunicated.  One of the many issues I encoutered with the senior pastor was that he promoted much of the teachings of Dallas Willard who has been quoted saying that &quot;all who deserve to be saved will be saved&quot;.  It appears that the spiritual disciplines are stressed over and beyond grace alone through faith alone in this church.  Now that I have seen that the gospel isn&#039;t really being preached but rather a works based immitation, I am more glad now that I am removed.  I certainly hope they will start to take doctrine more seriously since many in the movement just view doctrine as divisive when in actuality true doctrine should unite.   I think time will tell with what happens with this movement. May God bring healing to all of his own who have been hurt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wanted to thank all those who left comments since it has given me encouragement.  I was with the CC system in Delaware county Pennsylvania for many years.  I was eventually excommunicated.  One of the many issues I encoutered with the senior pastor was that he promoted much of the teachings of Dallas Willard who has been quoted saying that &#8220;all who deserve to be saved will be saved&#8221;.  It appears that the spiritual disciplines are stressed over and beyond grace alone through faith alone in this church.  Now that I have seen that the gospel isn&#8217;t really being preached but rather a works based immitation, I am more glad now that I am removed.  I certainly hope they will start to take doctrine more seriously since many in the movement just view doctrine as divisive when in actuality true doctrine should unite.   I think time will tell with what happens with this movement. May God bring healing to all of his own who have been hurt.</p>
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